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PLACE THEM IN A PERMANENT INFERIOR STATUS FLIES IN THE FACE OF
EVERYTHING THAT THIS UNITED STATES HAS STOOD FOR AND CLEARLY IN
OUR ASSERTION THAT ALL MEN AND WOMEN ARE CREATED EQUAL AND
ENDOWED BY OUR CREATOR WITH CERTAIN INALIENABLE RIGHTS. SO I
HOPE, MR. PRESIDENT, THAT THE ADMINISTRATION, THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE AND THOSE OF OUR ALLIES BOTH IN ASIA AND ALL OVER THE
WORLD, INCLUDING AT THE UNITED NATIONS, WILL DO WHATEVER WE CAN
TO RESTORE THE QUALITY AND EQUAL OPPORTUNITY IN THIS VERY
LOVELY ISLAND. AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, MR. PRESIDENT, FOR
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ME TO NOTE THAT I HAVE VISITED THIS BEAUTIFUL COUNTRY ON
SEVERAL OCCASIONS, WHICH IS ONE REASON WHY I HAVE A VERY
SPECIAL FEELING FOR IT AND A SPECIAL SENSE OF SADNESS, BECAUSE
IT IS A BEAUTIFUL COUNTRY FILLED WITH PHI GEEAN PEOPLE. MR.
PRESIDENT, I YIELD THE FLOOR.
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A SENATOR: MR. PRESIDENT?
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THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM MISSOURI.
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MR. ASHCROFT: MR. PRESIDENT, MAY I BEGIN BY THANKING MY
COLLEAGUE, THE SENATOR FROM ARIZONA, FOR HIS REMARKS IN REGARD
TO THIS CHALLENGE, ESPECIALLY AS IT RELATES TO THE SOUTH
PACIFIC. TODAY I HAVE RECEIVED VERY TROUBLESOME INFORMATION
ABOUT PARTS OF INDONESIA WHERE THERE IS THIS KIND OF TENSION,
WHICH IS THREATENING THE PEACE, WELL-BEING AND THE CAPACITY OF
INDIVIDUALS TO EXERCISE THEIR OWN RELIGIOUS BELIEFS IN WAYS
THAT THEY SEE FIT. THIS KIND OF TROUBLESOME DISORDER IS TO BE
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NOTED AND UNDERSTOOD. AND I THINK WE SHOULD SPEAK OUT ON IT. I
WANT TO THANK THE SENATOR FROM ARIZONA FOR HIS KIND REMARKS.
MR. PRESIDENT, I RISE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING CLOSER TO
HOME FOR ME, PERHAPS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS THAT'S
EVER KNOWN OR UNDERSTOOD IN THE ECONOMY OF MISSOURI IS THE
MISSOURI RIVER. IT LITERALLY IS PART OF THE LIFEBLOOD OF OUR
STATE. IT TRANSPORTS COMMERCE FROM ONE PART OF THE STATE TO
ANOTHER, AND FROM OUR STATE DOWN THROUGH THE MISSISSIPPI TO THE
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GULF OF MEXICO AND AROUND THE WORLD. AND THERE ARE SOME
TROUBLESOME ISSUES REGARDING THE FLOWS IN THE MISSOURI RIVER,
AND THEY RELATE TO THE ENERGY AND WATER APPROPRIATIONS BILL,
WHICH INCLUDES SPECIFIC MEASURES RELATING TO THOSE THINGS,
MEASURES IN THIS YEAR'S BILL THAT ARE IDENTICAL TO PROVISIONS
THAT HAVE BEEN IN YEARS PREVIOUS BILLS. AND NORMAL SENATE
PROCEDURE IS THAT IF A COMMITTEE ACTS AND REPORTS OUT A BILL,
THEN THE BILL COMES TO THE FLOOR. IF A SENATOR DOESN'T LIKE A
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CERTAIN PROVISION IN THE BILL, WELL, THEN THAT SENATOR HAS THE
RIGHT TO MOVE TO STRIKE THAT POSITION. AND THAT'S A GUARANTEED
RIGHT. SOMEONE CAN MOVE TO DO THAT ON THE FLOOR. HOWEVER, IT
APPEARS THAT SOME OF THE PROVISIONS WHICH ARE TOTALLY
CONSISTENT WITH PROVISIONS THAT HAVE BEEN IN PRECEDING BILL
AFTER BILL REGARDING FLOWS IN THE MISSOURI RIVER SYSTEM ARE NOT
TO THE LIKING OF SOME INDIVIDUALS, AND THE MINORITY LEADER HAS
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INDICATED THAT HE DOES NOT LIKE THIS PROVISION. I BELIEVE
THAT'S THE CASE. AND THAT HE HAS DONE WHAT HE COULD TO SAY THAT
THEY SHOULD NOT BRING THIS BILL UP, WORK TO MAKE SURE THAT THE
BILL SHOULDN'T COME TO THE FLOOR AT ALL. NOW I THINK THAT'S A
HARSH AND INAPPROPRIATE WAY FOR US TO ACT. I THINK IF ANY
SENATOR DOES NOT LIKE A PROVISION, THEN THAT SENATOR CAN MOVE
TO STRIKE THE PROVISION, AND THE SENATE CAN VOTE ON SUCH A
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MOTION. UNFORTUNATELY, THIS ELECTION TO STALL, TO INTERRUPT THE
OTHERWISE PROGRESS AND BUSINESS OF THE SENATE, TO SAY THAT WE
DON'T WANT TO ALLOW A BILL TO COME TO THE FLOOR AS IT WAS
REPORTED BY THE COMMITTEE AND AS IT HAS COME YEAR AFTER YEAR,
IT'S A WAY TO INTERRUPT THE BUSINESS OF THE SENATE AND IT'S
INAPPROPRIATE. I HAVE TO SAY THAT I WAS PLEASED THAT EARLIER
THIS AFTERNOON THE MAJORITY LEADER FILED A CLOTURE PETITION ON
THE ENERGY AND WATER APPROPRIATIONS MEASURE, BUT IT'S
UNFORTUNATE THAT HE WOULD HAVE TO DO SO. AND I REGRET THAT THE
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MAJORITY LEADER HAD TO TAKE SUCH ACTION, BUT BECAUSE THE
DEMOCRATS INSIST ON STALLING THE NORMAL LEGISLATIVE PROCESS,
SUCH ACTION WAS NECESSARY. NOW THE MISSOURI RIVER AND THE
MISSISSIPPI ARE THE TWO MOST VALUED TREASURES OF MISSOURI
CITIZENS. THEY ARE ESSENTIAL FOR NOT ONLY TRANSPORTATION IN OUR
STATE -- ABOUT 40% OF ALL THE PEOPLE IN OUR STATE LITERALLY GET
THEIR DRINKING WATER OUT OF THOSE RIVERS. THEY ARE IMPORTANT
FOR IRRIGATION, FOR COST-EFFICIENT TRANSPORTATION. AND I'VE HAD
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THE PRIVILEGE THROUGH THE DECADES OF FIGHTING TO PROTECT THAT
RESOURCE NOT ONLY FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION BUT FOR TRANSPORTATION
AS WELL. AS ATTORNEY GENERAL, I WAS INVOLVED IN LITIGATION THAT
WENT ALL THE WAY TO THE SUPREME COURT. I WAS PLEASED TO BE A
PART OF THAT -- TO BE A MOVING FACTOR IN THAT LITIGATION WHICH
PROTECTED OUR WATER FLOWS AT THAT TIME OF THE RIVER. I'VE
WATCHED AS THE MISSOURI RIVER, WHEN IT HAS INADEQUATE FLOWS,
HOW IT CAN PARALYZE A COMMUNITY. I REMEMBER YEARS AGO WHEN I
WAS GOVERNOR AN ICE BRIDGE DEVELOPED. THIS WAS A NATURAL
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IMPAIRMENT OF THE FLOW MINORITY OF MISSOURI OF THE RIVER AND
NORTH OF THE CITY OF ST. JOSEPH. INSTEAD OF THE WATER FLOWING
DOWN, THE ICE JAM BACKED THE WATER UP, AND THE RIVER LEVELS
FELL. AND A GREAT CITY LIKE ST. JOSEPH, MISSOURI, WAS WITHOUT
WATER. AND WHEN I WENT TO LOOK AT THE WATER INTAKE, AT THE
WATER INTAKE FACILITY FOR ST. JOSEPH, I NOTICED THAT THE WATER
WAS A FOOT OR TWO BELOW THE INTAKE. AND I SAW THAT NO MATTER
WHAT YOU DID, YOU WOULD HAVE A VERY -- WELL, YOU'D SIMPLY HAVE
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AN IMPOSSIBLE -- WE WORKED NIGHT AND DAY TO GET A NEW PURN
PUNCH AN A NEW SYSTEM OF -- A NEW PUMP AND A NEW SYSTEM OF
DRAWING WATER OUT OF THE RIVER. IT IS ESSENTIAL TO THE
WELL-BEING OF OUR STATE. NOW IN THIS MEASURE THE ENERGY AND
WATER APPROPRIATIONS MEASURE, THERE IS IN THIS COMMITTEE REPORT
TO THE SENATE SENATE, THERE IS A PROVISION WHICH PROHIBITS THE
EXPENDITURE OF RESOURCE TO DIMINISH THE FLOW OR TO OTHERWISE
TAMPER WITH THE FLOW OF THE RIVER BECAUSE THE RIVER FLOWS ARE
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SO ESSENTIAL TO THE WELL-BEING OF OUR STATE. THE CORE HAS --
THE CORPS HAS A PLAN FOR REWRITING THE WAY THE RIVER WILL BE
MANAGED. IT'S CALLED THE MISSOURI RIVER MASTER MANUAL. AND IT
WOULD SEND ADDITIONAL SURGES OF WATER DOWN IN THE SPRING, WHICH
WOULD CAUSE FLOODING, AND WITHHOLD ADDITIONAL WATER IN THE FALL
WHICH WOULD CAUSE LOW LEVELS IN THE RIVER. NOW IF YOU MAKE THE
LEVEL OF THE RIVER LOW IN THE FALL, THE CROP, WHICH HAS BEEN
GROWN CAN'T BE SHIPPED AS EFFICIENTLY WHEN THERE'S INADEQUATE
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RIVER FLOW FOR TRANSPORTATION. OF COURSE YOU MAY NOT HAVE A
CROP TO SHIP IF IN THE SPRING YOU RELEASE SO MUCH WATER THAT
YOU OCCASION FLOODING, AND SO MANY OF OUR COMMUNITIES ARE
CONCERNED ABOUT THIS. I WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH THE REST OF
THE MISSOURI DELEGATION IN THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS, THE
MISSOURI FARM BUREAU, THE MIDAMERICA REGIONAL COUNCIL 2000, AND
WE UNIFORMLY TOGETHER OPPOSE MANAGEMENT OF THE RIVER IN SUCH A
WAY AS IT WOULD MAKE IT LIKELY THAT THERE WOULD BE FLOODING
THAT WOULD DAMAGE OUR CAPACITY IN THE SPRING AND THEN A
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RESTRICTION OF THE FLOW OF THE RIVER IN THE FALL WHICH WOULD
MAKE IMPOSSIBLE THE KIND OF TRANSPORTATION UPON WHICH OUR FARM
AND AGRICULTURAL INDUSTRIES AND OTHER INDUSTRIES MUST RELY. NOW
THE U.S. FISH AND WILDLIFE SERVICES RECENTLY RECOMMENDED TO THE
ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS A SPRING PULSE, OR A SURGE OF WATER ON
THE MISSOURI RIVER. IT'S IRRESPONSIBLE AND DANGEROUS. NOW THEY
WANT TO DO THIS BECAUSE THEY'RE INTERESTED IN IMPROVING
ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS FOR CERTAIN OF THE FISH AND CERTAIN
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BIRDS. WE ALL ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE FISH AND BIRDS, THE SHORE
BIRDS, THE PIPING PLOVER AND THE SHARK-LIKE PALATE STURGEON
FISH. THEY'RE IMPORTANT, BUT THIS PROTECTION SHOULD NOT COME AT
THE EXPENSE OF THE LIVES OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE LIVING
DOWNSTREAM. SECTION 103 -- THAT'S THE SECTION WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT IN THE ENERGY AND WATER DEVELOPMENT APPROPRIATIONS BILL,
H.R. 4733, THAT SECTION FORBIDS ANY FUNDING IN THE BILL FROM
BEING USED TO REVISE THE MISSOURI RIVER MASTER WATER CONTROL
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MANUAL TO ALLOW FOR AN INCREASE IN THE SPRINGTIME WATER RELEASE
PROGRAM AND DURING THE SPRING HEAVY RAINFALL AND SNOW MELT
PERIOD IN THE STATES. THIS SPRING RELEASE, OR A SPRING RISE OR
SPRING PULSE, RAISING THE MISSOURI RIVER'S FLOW WOULD BE
DANGEROUS FOR ALL CITIZENS. IT WOULD BE A THREAT TO THOSE
WORKING DOWNSTREAM FROM GAVENS POINT ON THE BORDER BETWEEN
NEBRASKA AND SOUTH DAKOTA. IT NORMALLY TAKES ABOUT 12 DAYS FOR
WATER TO TRAVEL FROM GAVINS POINT TO ST. LOUIS. DURING THE
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SPRING THE WEATHER IN THE MIDWEST IS ESPECIALLY UNPREDICTABLE.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, IT'S USUALLY SAID IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE
WEATHER, JUST WAIT A MINUTE. MAKING IT, IF IT'S THAT
UNPREDICTABLE -- AND WE KNOW IT IS ESPECIALLY IN THE SPRING --
IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO PREDICT THE WEATHER FOR A 12-DAY PERIOD
IF YOU'RE GOING TO SEND A BIG PULSE OF WATER DOWN THE RIVER AND
THEN AS YOU'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING SO, THERE'S A
SUBSTANTIAL RAINSTORM OR A SERIES OF STORMS THAT COME UP. THE
VERY -- THE VERY PURPOSE OF RESTRICTING FLOODING AND PROVIDING
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A BASIS FOR A REASONABLE FLOW ON THE RIVER IS DEFEATED IF
YOU'RE ALREADY SENDING A CHARGE OF WATER DOWN THE RIVER THAT'S
MORE CLOSE TO THE CAPACITY OF THE RIVER SO THAT ANY ADDITIONAL
FROM NATURE WOULD MAKE FOR FLOODING. HEAVY RAIN DURING THE
12-DAY PERIOD FOLLOWING A SPRING RISE WOULD INCREASE GREATLY
THE CHANCES FOR DOWNSTREAM FLOODING. THE SPRING RISE WOULD COME
AT A TIME OF THE YEAR WHEN DOWNSTREAM CITIZENS ARE THE MOST
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VULNERABLE TO FLOODING AFTER ALL. THE CORPS' PLAN PROVIDES LESS
FLOOD CONTROL AND LESS NAVIGABILITY THAN THE CURRENT PLAN.
THAT'S WHY IT SHOULD NOT BE IMPOSED. I OPPOSE THE CORPS' PLAN
FOR REWRITING THE MISSOURI RIVER MASTER MANUAL AND I CALL ON
THE CORPS TO ADOPT A PLAN THAT BETTER SUITS A BALANCE AMONG
WATER USES. NOW, IF THE PRESIDENT DECIDES AFTER WE PASS THE
BILL WITH THE SAME PROVISION IN IT THAT WE'VE HAD IN IT FOR THE
LAST SEVERAL YEARS, YEAR AFTER YEAR, IF HE DECIDES TO VETO IT
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IT, THAT'S HIS PREROGATIVE. BUT WHAT THAT TELLS THE CITIZENS OF
THE LOWER MISSOURI BASIN IS THAT THE CLINTON-GORE
ADMINISTRATION IS WILLING TO FLOOD DOWNSTREAM MIDWESTERN
COMMUNITIES. IT'S THAT SIMPLE. SECTION 103 PROVIDES THE
NECESSARY PROTECTION FOR ALL CITIZENS DOWNSTREAM FROM THE GAVIN
POINT DAM WHO LIVE AND WORK ALONG THE BANKS OF THE MISSOURI
RIVER. MR. PRESIDENT, IN CLOSING, EACH SENATOR IS ENTITLED TO
HIS OR HER OPINION ON A PIECE OF LEGISLATION, BUT THE SENATOR
SHOULD UNDERSTAND THAT THAT OPINION SHOULD BE REFLECTED, IN MY
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JUDGMENT, IN THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS WITH THE OPPORTUNITIES TO
STRIKE. THAT OPINION SHOULD NOT BE EXPRESSED BY KEEPING
LEGISLATION REPORTED BY COMMITTEES FROM COMING TO THE FLOOR. WE
ARE WILLING TO DEBATE THIS MOTION. ANY MOTION WITH REGARD TO
THIS COMMON-SENSE PROVISION. AND WE ARE WILLING TO LIVE BY THE
WILL OF THE SENATE IN DETERMINING WHAT SHOULD BE THE OUTCOME.
BUT WE FEEL LIKE THE AVAILABILITY OF THIS LEGISLATION SHOULD
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NOT BE CURTAILED, ESPECIALLY IT HAVING REFLECTED IDENTICAL
PROVISIONS IN THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS OF THIS SAME ENERGY AND
WATER APPROPRIATIONS. AS A MATTER OF FACT, IT IS THE WILL OF
THE COMMITTEE WHICH HAS SENT IT TO THE FLOOR. SO WITH THAT IN
MIND, I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING TO PROTECT THE INTERESTS OF THE
MISSOURI CITIZENS, TO PROTECT THEM AGAINST FLOODING IN THE
SPRING AND TO PROTECT THE ADEQUATE AND AVAILABLE WATER
RESOURCES FOR A FLOW WHICH WILL SUPPORT NAVIGATION IN THE FALL.
MR. PRESIDENT, I YIELD THE FLOOR.
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THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM VERMONT.
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MR. LEAHY: MR. PRESIDENT, I THANK MY FRIEND FROM MISSOURI FOR
YIELDING, AND, MR. PRESIDENT, EARLIER THIS AFTERNOON THE
CHAIRMAN OF THE SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE SPOKE REGARDING
JUDICIAL VACANCIES. AND I'M SORRY I WAS NOT ON THE FLOOR, BUT
DID NOT KNOW WHO HE WAS GOING TO SPEAK OR I WOULD HAVE
RESPONDED TO SOME OF THE I SHALL SHOES AT THAT TIME. ACTUALLY I
WAS AT AN -- ISSUES AT THAT TIME. ACTUALLY I WAS AT AN
IMPORTANT CONFIRMATION HEARING AND CHAIRING A MEETING OF THE
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BIPARTISAN I WANT NET CAUCUS. -- BIPARTISAN INTERNET CAUCUS.
HOWEVER, LAST FRIDAY BEFORE WE WENT OUT, I SPOKE TO THE ISSUE
OF JUDICIAL NOMINATIONS. I SAY AGAIN WITH 60 CURRENT AND
LONG-STANDING VACANCIES WITHIN THE FEDERAL JUDICIARY AND SEVEN
MORE ON THE HORIZON, WE CAN'T STOP, EVEN SLOW DOWN, WHAT LITTLE
PROGRESS WE ARE MAKING. WE DID HAVE A HEARING TODAY. IT
INCLUDED THREE NOMINEES WHO ARE MOVED FORWARD TO FILL POSITIONS
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ON THE DISTRICT COURT OF ARIZONA. THAT -- THOSE POSITIONS HAVE
ALL BEEN DECLARED JUDICIAL EMERGENCIES. EACH OF THE NOMINEES
WERE NOMINATED LAST FRIDAY. THEY NOW HAVE THEIR HEARING. THEY
LOOK FORWARD TO BEING VOTED OUT OF COMMITTEE ON THURSDAY TO
PROVE -- AND APPROVED BY THE SENATE BEFORE THE WEEK IS OUT.
THAT IS WITHIN ONE WEEK OF NOMINATION. NOW THAT SHOWS WHAT CAN
BE DONE IF THE SENATE REALLY WANTS TO IT TAKE ACTION. AND ALL
THIS TALK ABOUT NEEDING SIX MONTHS OR MORE TO PROCESS AND
REVIEW NOMINEES IS JUST THAT. IT'S TALK. WE HEAR THAT, WELL, WE
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CAN'T JUST BRING UP A NOMINEE AND MOVE THEM FORWARD. WELL, WE
CAN... WE CAN IF THE RIGHT SENATORS FROM THE RIGHT PARTY SAY,
LET'S MOVE THEM FORWARD. BUT OTHERWISE IT DOESN'T HAPPEN. SO
LET'S NOT BE IMPRECISE ABOUT WHAT IS NEEDED. IF ALL GOES
ACCORDING TO SCHEDULE, THESE NOMINEES WILL
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